How long will it take for West Caldwell Coaches realizes this offense does not work??

How Long will it take before The West Caldwell Coaches realize that they cant coach?

West Caldwell continues to try and spread the feild with 3 and 4 wides,one back and only 5 lineman to block...This approach may would work if you have any threat of a forward pass? Thats a dimension this team definately does not have so what do opponents do that plays the Warriors and have no respect for the non-existant passing game? They fill the box with 8 or 9 defenders and crash the run and i dont care how good you are you can't block this many with 5 down lineman and no full-back or tight-end...I criticised this stupid offense last season and still feel it's what distinguished last years season between a good season and a great season...Last years team had a good season but if It wasn't for the change in offensive scheme the warriors could have had a great season...Even though they did have some threat of pass last year??? Anybody with any sense knows you're not going to be successful going with 5 blockers against a team keying down on the run. the head Coach at WC is a very good person and a good man but his head coaching abilities are not very good...A good coordinater maybe under someone elses system but its time to realize at least that this system and scheme is not going to work at all???

 

And lets also talk about team discipline...In Fridays double overtime who scores first 6-0 win against winless North Surry the Warriors were flagged for 196 yards in penalties...Heck they only had 180 yards in offense!...In one game last season they were penalized for 265 yards in just one game and just about the entire season it was a miracle if they had one game with less than 100 yards in yellow hankys....Even this seasons team is a young one but the potential is there...They have great size, Good speed and atheletes but the best players are not where they need to be...They are not fundamentally sound....It boils down to more than just the offense but coach?< Can't you at least see that you cannot block 8 or 9 defenders with 5???...Come on and wake up!

 

JYD, or should I say Tarheel, BWG, or whatever:
Nice to see you back. You make some interesting points, however, allow me to point out some errors. First, I agree with you that the team is undisciplined and extremely selfish. Where I disagree with you is in the team's offense. Ya know, it doesn't really matter what offense the warriors run or if they bring in a tight end or what not because as undisciplined as they are they won't move the football and score points in any offense----PERIOD! Do you agree? From a personal standpoint I like Craig Styron very much. I think that the theme for the remainder of this season shouldn't be to change offenses, defenses, or special teams but to start cracking the whip and making those young players ready for next year and possibly this year. There is a real dilemma at West Caldwell and I think it lies in the kids. Most of these kids lack direction in the home and come from single parent families. Coach Styron has a difficult task in that how can he expect to enforce discipline in two hours of practice when these kids never see it at home? I don't envy him right now. I agree with you, this teams is in big trouble. He better hurry up and get those guys some discipline, or they'll run him out of gamewell.

Later

 

Yes , HulkaManiaRunninWild
I am tarheel from the old observer threads and I'm glad you agree with me on certain points...The only point i was trying to make with the offense is that you can be loaded and still have a hard and impossible time blocking 8 or 9 guys with just 5 down lineman but the problems are far beyond that...This Program really needs to be torn completely down and built back up from the bottom...I like Styron but he's not the man I beleive can do this...It's gonna take a stearn disciplinarian to do this...A hard-nosed coach who is gonna get the Warriors back to a physical hard-hitting force they were in the 80's...I have always hoped Coach Styron would figure out how to turn it around but its gonna take a proven coach to do this and I'm not leaning towards Biggerstaff either even though I know personally he would probally return if asked but they are a lot of coaches out there with the same physical football style and discipline its gonna take to turn this program and give it direction...This is a very weak conference and as weak as the Warriors are they can still easily finish second this year and people are gonna be hollaring what a good job Styron has done and thats really wrong...If you seperated every team in this league and placed them individually in all the other 2-A leagues across the state of NC They'd all finish dead last except for maybe Hibriten this year...It's a terribly weak conference in football...Yes maybe the kids do need some direction at home but I guarentee you A Mike Biggerstaff, A Tom Brown or A Randy Lowman type of coach will whip it into the program...But then again we have to look at our wonderful(sarcastically speaking) school board that makes this almost impossible...Unlike surrounding counties which are very supportive of High School Atheletics, Caldwell's board really stinks...Calwell County Coaches are among if not the worst paid in NC!...So its damn hard to land a good coach here in Dullswell County!...Maybe if the community would approach the school board something could be done...We are so far behind everyone else...This is a dead county!!!

 

JYD:
You are correct, this conference is pitiful and every team in it with the exception of Hibriten (and it kills me to say this) would finish dead last in just about every other 2A conference in the state. As for your comments on the offense I understand what you are saying and agree to a point. I also understand why WC is running that offense as well. You see, WC is very weak up front and is simply trying to spread the field and make it a little easier on those guys. The problem is, however, that the O-line is so pathetic that they still cannot block even with the defense spread out and less defenders in the box. Also, this team is so undisciplined that it just makes matters that much worse. I think that Styron has done a good job over the last three years, but those were yesteryear and this is this year. If he wants to prove that he is the man to run this program (Styron) then he needs to turn this mob around and get them playing unselfish, hardnosed football. Otherwise, this program will go into the tank as will any respect for him as a coach. I realize that the team he has right now isn't anywhere near what last years was, but there's enough to be at least competitive in this crappy conference. What do you think about this weeks game against N. Wilkes?

 

Well honestly I think this game may be a lot like last weeks, This one may take three Overtimes before anybody scores...LOL...Right now(and I hate saying this too) Hibriten is all alone and they are 7 cellar dwellers fighting for second place....I know that sounds bad but when playoff time comes I think Hibriten will be competitive while the rest of the MVC playoff teams will be a feast for their oponent.

 

Again, how correct you are. I think (more like hope) west can pull it out against a team like NW. I mean, how can a no talent squad with non athletes hang with a team that has the kids that west does? But then again, how have we lost to a team like Watauga. There's a lot of reaons, I'm curious to find out what you think the reasons are. Is it offense, defense, special teams, coaching, all the above, more????????

Gotta run, I'll check back later, Mean Gene!

 

Well I think its more or less a combination of all of the above... The real bottom line here is fundamentals(blocking and Tackling) and Discipline(Penalties and ability to carry out assignments). The Play-calling is sometimes attrocious but there too in Biggerstaffs era he didn't win games on play-calling because most of his teams were smash-mouth...His teams won on hard-hitting, toughness,disciplined and fundamentally sound football...I still say the Offensive scheme here isn't gonna get nowhere . A running team in a spread passing formation is not going to get it done. True you spread the feild and you think it would open up the running game but you have to have the threat of pass to do this...Teams are not going to respect that passing game and still they'll load up on the run and that the numbers are not there to block for it, Hell they need at least a couple more guys in there if for anything just to get in a defenders way...You also are not going to get a back on the corner with the spread which would be a huge advantage against a team of N.Wilkes calibure. Last season When Darren Dula hurt his shoulder against Pisgah in the playoffs and the threat of a forward pass was gone for the game, Pisgah loaded up on the under-manned Warrior line the rest of the game and it was 3 and out for the rest of the night... I know i have a peeve about this offense but it does not fit the personel they have... A school like Burlington Cummings with its awray of atheletes and Quarterbacks that come through that school can flourish in such a offense...Its not good to make changes at mid-season with a football team but its not going to be good for this particular team if they don't!!

 

I tend to think that a large portion of the problem does reside in the head coach. I moved here last year from Florida and have noticed that his teams are heavily penalized and really do not play very hard. People say that they like him, but they do not think he's very good when it comes to dicsipline. I also hear that he has one of the best offensive minds around.
I really do not like the defense that they run. I heard my neighbors kid who plays on the team bragging about a shutout this weekend. I thought to myself, how hard is it to shutout a team that doesn't throw the ball when you run a 5-2 monster. Basically their playing 8 guys on the line of scrimmage. If they play a team that throws the ball they're going to lose bigtime. I also noticed how poor the tackling was. The only advantage that I see is that by running the 5-2 monster they have lots of guys around the ball. With odds like that someone should make the tackle. I think that the D line is awful too. Fat, out of shape, and slow. That "D" showed its true colors against Freedom and East Burke. One other thing that's interesting is the lack of help (coaches) they have around there. What happened? Over the last several years I've noticed at least 10-12 coaches on the sideline during games. Nowadays you see 7 at most and I know that a few of those guys are like trainers and stat guys. What's the scoop on that? I think the warriors beat the vikings 13-7. I hope they improve this week on offense and I hope the defense pitches another shutout. I really want the coaches and kids to do well inspite of their shortcomings. I wish them the best. Good luck warriors!

 

As far as the coaching and the lack of assistants as well you can go back to my third post on this thread, The real problem is the school board, Unlike surrounding counties which support football, Caldwell puts it dead last on its agenda. Thats sad too because a good football program gets good attendance and good attendance helps fund acedemics....These 5 school board members continue to be re-elected over and over when this county needs some new blood in there....We had a great coach in the 80's that put Warrior football among the elite in NC,... So what really happened to this great coach that put West Caldwell on the map and made West a solid and well respected program?, Our school board, Mainly Pennell! Said he could not coach and be Asst. principle! She pissed him off and he went into private business... This great school board also chased off Paul Hoggard who was trying to bring a pysical hard-nosed style of ball back to the program.... As far as NC goes I know the HS football is not the caliber of football you guys have in Florida but if you want to see NC football at its best? then Visit Maiden or Bandys on a friday night but better go early because those towns shut down completely on friday nights....When you are in those stadiums you can feel the excitement and the electricity!...West Caldwell hasn't had anything close to that since the 80's!...In the early and mid 80's we were a football town then in 1987 we got hit by a storm(Biggerstaffs Resignation) and the lights have never come back on in warrior town!