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Wild pitch hits bat.

Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by cmmguy, Jul 9, 2010.

  1. cmmguy

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    Pitcher throws a wild pitch behind the batter, batter attempts to move out of the way but doesnt think about getting the bat out of the way. Wild pitch glances off the bat and hits the backstop. If the batter would have stayed still, it would have hit her.

    Foul ball or not?
     
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    Foul ball if it stays foul, I have seen this happen where the ball actually stays fair and it is a live ball.
     
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    Foul ball as soon as it hit the backstop.
     
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    A pitcher that can throw the ball behind the batter and hit the bat for a foul ball, now thats control!
    BTW I have seen it hit the bat and roll fair, looked like a bunt, runner was safe at first and coach had a meltdown saying ball hit bat then batter before rolling fair. Sorry ump didn't see it that way.
     
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    In the other thread on the "ball hits batter", intent was measured and the ump makes a judgment about whether is was a strike or HBP. Why would the rules not allow the same judgment on intent? The batter clearly did not intend to hit the ball and was dutifully trying to get out of the way of an likely HBP.

    I see this as an inconsistency in the rules.
     
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    ...my buddys got a good point here folks.
     
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    ok, lets turn it around - check swing goes for a bloop over the 1st basemans head - does the batter give up teh base hit because he didnt mean to swing???

    and the other rule was a safety consideration to keep people from leaning over the plate to draw a base by getting hit.
     
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    still a base hit even if they didnt intend to swing, its the results of the play, not the intent of the batter.

    on the other, it was put to me like this: the strike zone belongs to the pitcher. if a batter puts something in the strike zone and the pitcher hits it, its a strike( such as elbow, knee, shoulder, etc). it was intended to stop the batter from drawing a hbp play, as this was getting really out of hand. my dd loved it. kept batters from crowding the plate....
     
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    Intent always plays into the rule application. The check swing was initially an intent to hit the ball. It is not a check swing if the bat hits the ball.

    In the other thread it was said that a batter that was hit in the hand was HBP if they had not intended to swing and it was a strike if the hit occurred during an attempted swing. The example had the ball outside of the strike zone. Clearly intent was part of the umpires decision making process.

    So this was extended to my question. The batter did not intend to hit the ball in fact the batter if they would have stood still or made a slight movement would have received a HBP but in the process of moving out of the way the HBP turns into a strike(foul ball). Why is intent not consistently applied.
     
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    Not exactly... it's a strike if they offered/swung. Intent doesn't really matter, because the intent may have been to check and they were just unsuccessful. I've seen several occasions where a batter stopped his swing, but turned out in such a way to bring the bat over the plate and got called for a swing.

    I see where you're going, but they (ASA and NFHS) have been trying to remove "intent" from the rulebook whereever possible, and I don't see that this is really a place where you have to read the batter's mind.
     

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