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Rules question

Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by php1, Jun 21, 2009.

  1. Jun 21, 2009 at 11:17 PM #1
    php1

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    Here's the situation:

    Runners at first and second, batter hits a grounder to left hand side of third, the third baseman bobbles the ball, recovers, has the ball in her hand, and gets turned around during the recovery, turns and tags third with her glove, but ball in hand before the runner from second reaches third. Is the runner from second out on the force play?
     
  2. Jun 21, 2009 at 11:28 PM #2
    softballphreak

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    If the ball is hit to the left hand side of third that would be a foul ball.

    If it's hit between 2nd and 3rd and the baseman has control of the ball and touches the bag with any part of her body or equipment I believe that would be a force out. Not like the case where the tag on the player is not made with the ball hand.
     
  3. Jun 21, 2009 at 11:58 PM #3
    php1

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    Sorry, left hand side of the third basemen. I thought the runner should have been called out also, but she wasn't. That's why I posted this. Can anyone reference the rule that might clear this up?
     
  4. Jun 22, 2009 at 6:21 AM #4
    cheeze105

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    believe that as long as she had control of the ball and its a force out situation, it doesnt matter what part of her body touches the base, she could sit on it and its called an out. tagging the runner with an empty glove is another issue all together.
     
  5. Jun 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM #5
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    The above posts are correct. When tagging the bag is required, you can do it with any part of your body, including the foot (which is, incidently, the way it is usually done) or a ponytail. A runner must be tagged with the ball, or the glove containing the ball.

    If I had a problem with the rule being misapplied, after lodging my protest, I would instruct my firstbaseman to also tag 1B with the ball when retiring the batter runner for a few outs until the umpire got the message.
     
  6. Jun 22, 2009 at 2:25 PM #6
    php1

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    I like the way you think JefferMC.

    Can anyone point out in a rule book how this is handled?
     
  7. Jun 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM #7
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    is it with rope, noose and small mob?????
     
  8. Jun 22, 2009 at 3:08 PM #8
    JefferMC

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    In the ASA rulebook it says:

    Note that the wording is "contacts the base" vs the latter "tags the runner". As if that wasn't enough, "Tag" has a specific rulebook definition
    I'm sure the other rulebooks are very similar here.
     

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