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Has this been covered yet this season?

Discussion in 'Softball Forum' started by Stingray12, Jun 6, 2009.

  1. Stingray12

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    Runners on 2rd base and 2nd base, 1 out. Fly ball to centerfielder, which is caught. Runner on 3rd base legally tags-up and advances toward home, runner on 2nd base leaves the base early and advances to 3rd base. The centerfielder, after the catch, throws the ball to home in an attempt to get the runner coming from 3rd base but the throw is late and the runner is safe. The ball is returned to the pitcher, in the circle, and the coach of the team in the field calls time and asks for an appeal that the runner left 2nd base early.

    What should the result of the appeal be?
     
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    ....I hear what you're saying, lets see, if the kid on 2b left early, and the kid on 3b scored, and given the 1 out gig, now 2 outs with catch in center, does the run score and then 3 outs recorded by the appeal at 2nd? Very good post!

    My take goes like this......if the kid at 2b leaves early, and the umps see it that way, then the runner on 3b does not score.
    JMO
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    Help me out folks, this one is killing me.
     
  3. Stingray12

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    Ok, I won't keep you in suspense too long....

    Runner that was on 2nd base is out, the run counts.

     
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    Attempt to retag?

    Isn't that the key phrase? Did the runner on second in this scenario go back and attempt to retag? What happens if she did not go back?

    This seems like an odd rule to me. Seems like there would be three outs and since the runner on second left before the girl on third (she left early, the girl on third did not), the run would not count.
     
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    If the outfielder would have thrown behind the runner at second and the out was recorded before the run crossed the plate my guess is the run would not have counted. Any other scenario the run counts.
     
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    Cha Cha has it right. That is why it is called a timing play.

    This is another situation that requires the players to know the rules and the current situation in order to keep the run from scoring. To be honest, I know that I, at age 14-18, could not keep all of the possible scenarios in my head and be able to execute them on a moments notice.
     
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    But how is the fielder supposed to know to throw to second? Am sure everyone is telling her to throw to either home or third (or her cut depending on how deep it was) and everyone has turned and is looking at the girl catching the ball not the girl leaving second early. Even if someone 'thought' they saw the girl at second leave early, chances are the girl telling her to throw to second and/or the girl throwing to second would be told by their coach that it was not the 'right' play. Don't we always tell them not to throw behind the runners?
     
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    You are right. I am not an umpire and I didn't make the rules. I just scratch my head and wonder who did and how they came up with them.
     
  9. slapyasilly

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    A couple of years ago, I got caught in a coaching mistake in a huge game on this very issue.

    Once the defensive coach asks for time, and it is called, the play is over and the ball is dead. No appeal can be called at that point. I know I have seen appeals called, but if I am recollecting, I went home and read the book and they were right. but it has been a few years.

    The runner at home is safe and the runner at 3rd is as well. At least, that was how it was said to me, by a host of umpires.
     

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